I'm stumped. I'm not so sure what is the answer to that question. I'll do some research in Google and get back to you if I find an answer. You should email the people at Godaddy as they probably could help you..

I just submitted a Transfer Dispute at Enom, it's what you have to do for Stolen Domains. The HostGator should of been locked, not?.

Yeah I bought it, it was pushed to my account, and now it was stolen!!!.

Does enom have a customer support number?.

How do I report it to ICANN?..

Gneral Enom #.

425.274.4500.

Technical Support #.

Phone: 425.274.4500 Option #3.

More info.

Http://www.enom.com/aboutus.asp..

I've never called Enom, personally ... I guess you could try their Legal Dept. if your current support ticket doesn't yield immediate assistance, IMHO..

Good Luck!.

-Jeff..

But this is what is scaring me... how will I get the HostGator back, I should be able to get the HostGator back because it was mine, I was in the whois before, and now somebody has fraudeuntly pushed it to their enom account.... I didn't do this.. and they should be able to track the IP of whoever did it right?.

Man I just want this HostGator back, it was a big investment for me.. is there anything else I should do?.

-Jarrod..

That's why people transfer "valueable" domains to Monicker.... wish you all the best in your quest..

I'd be calling and faxing the number on the whois too. Tell them that it has been fraudulently pushed to their account and you are seeking legal action..

When a HostGator is pushed upon purchase, sometimes it comes across to you unlocked, I don't know if it's because the original owner had it unlocked to start with or what, but it's happened to me. I.

Always.

Check to make sure any new purchase is locked..

Good Luck with it Premium. I think if you raise enough H3LL, you'll get it back...

And also everyone should.

Always.

Verify and update the contact information the moment they receive a purchased HostGator via transfer or push..

A lot of times the person who pushes the HostGator to you will push along their contact info with the HostGator (or some other incorrect info). Just because a HostGator was pushed/transferred to your account does not mean the correct contact information for you - including the ever important registrant contact email address - is properly assigned to the domain..

For TNQ.com, whois.sc history shows you, Jarrod, as the registered owner as of 12-27-05. It appears that any change of account for this HostGator is within the last week or two. Good luck getting it back...

Change your password immediately - it's always possible that someone somehow has your password...

If whois.sc is still showing you as the owner you should take a screen shot it could help you in getting it back..

This is just another reason to use godaddy. Godaddy Rockz!!!!..

FYI I've already posted this on my forum too and have people checking for trading activity..

Get in touch with the folks as eNom ASAP! They should have a record of when and how the HostGator left your account. Fortunately in this case they do have the one push per 7 day rule, so you have that window to find out what happened and correct it...

But isn't it the case usually that when a HostGator transfer is initiated the original Whois owner gets an email asking them if this is fraudulent?.

GoDaddy and 1and1 do that.....

Every time I sell a HostGator I get an email from Godaddy...

On 1and1 even when I have private reg - I still get email fwd'ed to my email address.... this is very strange that he didn't get any notification.

But as -RJ- mentioned you have 7 days to dispute the move, you will be ok assumming the hijacker has not sold it already or is not in the process of doing so....

Rgds,.

SM..

Doesn't eNom send email when a HostGator has been pushed to another account?..

Thats what I thought, I didn't receive any email....!! Enom is yet to reply to my case.. they are closed... and the mailbox is full on the full line..

I have no other choice but to wait?.

-Jarrod..

RJ sure they do but if the contact email has been change prior to push this owner would not get the email..

I have seen this many times. It all comes down to the contact and registrant email address. This HostGator was placed in your account and after you confirmed receipt the email on file was not changed to yours, they pushed HostGator into another account..

I have on the odd occassion been in receipt of emails from registrars that I should not have had it's very easy to manipulate a persons account password and have complete control over an account..

I am a DNOA member and would never steal someones account.

But it is rather easy to do. And the person in control can transfer this HostGator to a registrar like Joker and it will be gone forever.

Just my 2cents. I wish you good luck in recovering this domain. Out of curiousity were any of your other domains effected?..

Premium, Ring the new contact number on Whois, see if you can get any answers...

Sean Mullen is his Name.

He is Also listed as the Registrant of aigaio.info.

At that address and phone number.

.au.

<< is his ISP email.

68 048 929 087 is his Australian Business Number.

Http://www.fairtrading.qld.gov.au.

Is Queensland Government Fair Trading Home Page.

Where you can make an official complaint.

Premium I am a Justice of The PEACE (Qualified ) for The state of Queensland.

If you need any Australian / Queensland Documents Witnessed/Notarised regarding.

This Complaint ,I can help..

Only one name was in the account, thank god!!!.

Your wrong, I changed the whois to mine as soon as I received it, however could he of got it in the split second I had it?.

I have found out who this is and I need -RJ- to act on this immediately if possible. I will also contact Enom and authorities..

The user "Smullen" from namepros who sold me the HostGator has stolen it back. If you check the current whois and then do a simple search under smullen's threads he created, you will find he owns the domain.

PURZELVIDEO.COM.

..

If you check that domains whois, it will show a match for my tnq.com domain:.

SAGHT.

Network Administrator (dns-).

+61.0734115039.

Fax: +61.0734115039.

30 Loch St.

West End, QLD 4101.

AU.

Now, why he would steal it after I bought it? Who knows!!! But he is going down and he's going down hard..

Thanks everybody for the immediate help and support and this goes to show what a great community Namepros is..

I'm going to take action right away, is it wise to phone smullen up and say what the hell ?

Well to be honest, give him a ring, tell him you want the dn back or you will be turning the heat up..

If he doesnt respond.kick some....

Hmm before I read this I sent him an email with an offer pretending I'm end-user and that my company's initials match the domain... waiting to see if he'll respond and provide me w/telephone/etc...

Will keep you posted..

Http://www.ic3.gov.

Add this to your collection if you are going to be filing anything..

I'm sure -RJ- can help, but I doubt he can be held "responsible" if this doesn't work out.. so basically the guy initiated transfer and within 6-7 days emailed his registrar and claimed back ownership .....

Unreal....

That explains why Premium didn't receive a push notice...

The HostGator is still with eNom. I am interested in knowing if the standard push process was used, or if they used the registrar transfer procedure. The expiration date didn't change, so I'm assuming it was the standard eNom ownership push process..

Does eNom have a security bug somewhere?..

Odd; acording to the.

Sale thread.

You didn't send the full amout (.

$2 short.

). It's only $2, but both westblock and tekz999 bidded atleast that amount..

Perhaps this has something to do with it?..

The fish bites.... hahaha I've asked him for his phone # to negotiate over phone rather than email....

Minute I get it you'll hear back from me.

Forwarded message.

From: E. Maroulis <.. My company's name has the same initials and as such would like to buy this and establish as our corporate presence. I can offer you $8,000 US dollars, let me know if this is of interest..

Rgds,.

SM..

I guess that clarifies who has the domain..

Was this whole thing all over $2?.

Http://www.namepros.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=32..

Is it time for ban or "miserable users" vb hack?.

)..

If smullen refunds the money, he shouldnt get banned. Afteral PREMIUM didnt pay teh full amount. But it was only $2 I'm sure they can sort that out..

I never saw this, I thought I sent the right amount, what the hell!!! If he wanted the $2 he should of sent me a PM about it and I would of sent it.. I never knew I sent the wrong amount missing by $2...

After I sent the money, he pushed the domain, and everything was fine, he never told me I sent the wrong amount.. OMG this is retarded...

And westblock, you caused this by opening your trap.. I want my HostGator back, I'll send you the bloody $2 but there is no way in hell your going to get away with this!!..

Sean Mullen is trying to resell a HostGator he already sold here on NamePros after hijacking it back from the purchaser? Yes, that doesn't bode well for remaining a member in good standing. If Sean was shorted by $2 and felt scammed, this was not the right way to handle the situation..

I'm most concerned about Premium either getting his HostGator or money back first...

Premium - my advice is to contact first thing in the morning Enom and have a "folder of evidence" ready to be faxed. that should include the auction emails, the paypal receipt, and messages from this thread. If you fwd me your email address via PM i'd be happy to fwd you his email response asking me to go $12K for the domain... If nothing comes out of it (and I know it's not what you want but you can do charge-back on PayPal transaction).

-RJ- not much you can do, I think Sean has shown what kind of character he is and should be ultimately banned....

Rgds,.

SM..

Hmmm myself -.

.. My company's name has the same initials and as such would like to buy this and establish as our corporate presence. I can offer you $8,000 US dollars, let me know if this is of interest..

Rgds,.

SM..

Hmm give him a ring, and say you jusst came accross the auction? and CONFRONT about it...

Wild story. Best of luck Premium, I can't see how he can get away with this. You'll be getting your money back or the HostGator when this is sorted out.(hopefully the domain, if he actually should own it .. unless he stole it already from another!)..

I don't think publishing his phone number here is going to help anything..

I just sent him an e-mail notifying him of this thread, perhaps he'll shed some light on what happened to Premium's domain...

Well, as with any HostGator transfer, if you do not change the admin contact email and the HostGator remains unlocked, all a previous owner has to do is instigate a transfer and he will receive the "approve email".. So, approve it and transfer back..

Not sure this has happened in this case, but I'm sorry to see such a valuable name go sideways like this...

Can I ask, how did you pay for the name? As this will probably be another route for recompense.... Please dont say "paypal"....

I'm giving him a phone call to hopefully sort this. Could you PM me it?.

-Jarrod..

Well,.

This whole thing is ridiculous. The HostGator was auctioned off and thats it. Apparantly in the old sales thread, people got pissed of about the auction ran and even gave hints to get the HostGator back..

Very sick people,.

Gamehouse..

When I bought this HostGator I got a steal, if he was mad of what price he sold it for this is no way to handle it! If I screwed up and sent $2 short, then he should of pmed or emailed me that and I would of sent him the $2...

This is not the way you handle things, you think by stealing it back that you'd get more money for it, I won it fair a square pal and I will fight until I get that HostGator back..

I can't believe you did such a thing and you should be punished, you can't just go and steal a HostGator back because your mad about the price it sold for..

And all those NP members who encouraged him, thanks for your kind words!!!.

Smullen, contact me immediately, I know your online!..

May be Namepros should intervene and kind of observe the threads that sound like highly rated and cross 1k or so..

May be, we should start an escrow service just for namepros members or so..

Gamehouse..

How much did you pay for the HostGator ??..

Actually accusing people who hinted that this was a steal is NOT the right approach IMHO.. I totally understand your frustration and that's why I followed up w/him directly to see if indeed he was willing to sell outside....

Unfortunately this is the case of a rogue trader...and he should be banned from all DN forums..

You also had an appraisal thread for this very name - people hinted there that the price should have been x2 at least so partially and I'm sorry to say that it could be your fault too....

-RJ- this is where I see DNOA playing an important role at least in the on-line world and hence my interest in having DNOA implemented across ALL DN-related forums. Also if you fwd me his IP i'll make sure his banned if somehow he manages to get an invite to my forum....

All the best.....

Its appeard one important detail has been omitted..

See attached image...

Well, this is what westblock hinted.

Thats not at all appreciated..

Gamehouse..

Is there any reason why you refunded the money 3 days later?..

Yes. But I don't see how it is any of your business...

OMG your just unreal, when did you do this? I had no idea that you refunded my money, can't somebody go to a hockey tournament one weekend and not come home to find his most prized HostGator STOLEN!.

I don't care if you refunded my money Smullen, you stole my HostGator and thats illegal..

All this over $2 that I forgot to send? You should be ashamed of yourself man, and I'm getting robbed here because of you..

I'll do whatever it takes...

That is an.

Important.

Detail. Premium, did you see the refund come in on December 29th?..

Ah, THREE days later?.

So you did not complete the contract of sale. It's simple bad faith and breach of contract..

Listen, I sell domains for way too little all the time. But I *NEVER* go back on the deal..

Oh well, not much I can do or say about it, right?..

Like I said, I was gone all week because of a huge hockey tournament that had to do with Hockey Day In Canada. Ask (Dillpupp) from namepros, I'm good friends with him and he knew I was gone..

I had no idea that he had privately refunded my money and then took the initiative of stealing my domain..

What is wrong with this guy?..

I'm worse than him? He stole my domain, and I have a right to be angry. I didn't mean what I said and I would pay him the money as long as I got the HostGator back..

All I ask is that you send back the domain, I'll send your money back as well as $20 extra to pay for the $2 I forgot to send..

You got 2 choices here, you can either be stubborn, or be fair..

And another thing, why and how did you steal my domain? This is terrible business, and could leave yourself with a very bad reputation...

I just typed in TNQ.com and it came up as listed on GoDaddy as of 4:03 P.M. PDT, Sunday, January 8...

Well, aside from the horrendous reverse thread crash by those unconnected with the original sale, I'm still confused as to how the HostGator could be hijacked if transfer was complete..

Its slightly less of a crime if the money was returned but make a sale you are happy with, have others then tell you youve sold it too cheaply (including it seems the buyer) and then go return the money and reclaim the HostGator without informing the buyer....

Jeez man that sure sucks.... Shame on you.....

It's still under my GoDaddy account..

Smullen, whats it going to be? Really, I won't care and this whole thread can be deleted if you do the right thing and give me my HostGator I won back..

I will happily send back the money in full!.

You let me know, As I said, there is no way you'll get away with this, I have contacted all authorities and in the morning I will follow up with them..

-Jarrod..

I think, at enom you have 7 days to stop any push. So in this case, there may be no hijacking at all..

Gamehouse..

My guess, he got a better offer after he sold the domain!..

Exactly, I am with premium on this one even though he did give a refund. It is still not right to back off on an order...

I don't know the full story, appears nobody does yet? But it is very bad news if a "seller" can get away with this type of thing on the forum..

If the "seller " has a very good reason for returning the money and not proceeding with an agreed sale it would be a reasonable idea to share it with interested parties - ie, Name Pros members..

Caveat emptor..

Of course he did, After I won it, he was offered $2,000 and so forth... but thats not the point of this all. I won it fair and square, the HostGator is mine, and it's just bad business to go steal back a domain, refund the money, and honor the higher bidder?.

ALL OF THIS BEHIND MY BACK AND JUST DONT EVEN TELL ME?.

Where is your heart man? Honestly, think about what you did...and to think OVER $2 that I forgot to send, can't you forgive me for that? I would pay you it in a heartbeat!.

When you put anything up for auction and place a no reserve, whatever it sells for, it sells for. There is no going back...

Enom will simply look it over and ignore it, it's just a case of bad business practice and nothing more...

Simple: The HostGator is Premium's... for $1,702..

...but Premium should have at least told us he got his money back when he started this post. Not that it matters, he bought it, it's HIS...

Get over it, learn from it and move on..

Wow, youd be singing a different tune if it happened to you. You just dont steal a HostGator and then refund their money and act like it's ok, premium is in the right here..

The fact the smullen even knows how to steal a HostGator is troubling to me...

What? Did you call your local police department, sheriff Joe is going to hop right on that one. You got your money back, there is no crime here..

David..

I know it sucks but what can he do?..

This is absolutely true...

The only course of action should you not be able sort amicably would be through a civil case..

Very difficult mind for these, in the US, UK and Australia cannot be filed by proxy i.e. you have to attend the hearings..

Actually, I dont think it a bad price as well, it's certainly not the bargain of the century....

Personally, if Smullen doesnt feel like returning the HostGator despite the strength of feeling against his actions then this may be the only comfort you will gain from this...

But do keep us posted of developments, for if it transpires Smullen doesnt reconsider his actions, i, for one will not be doing any business with him in the future and if I see any of my friends/peers doing likewise, I will make it my business to let them know my feelings......

It's not a criminal offense but still, it was Premium's HostGator name...

I just had a look at the sales thread, when the bidding difference between premium and tekz was $1 [the bids were $1701 and $1702], it's premium's fault to begin with, lets take facts into account, premium short changed the seller, the seller did push the domain, after acknowledging he was short changed he notified enom and reversed the HostGator transfer and refunded premium! Anyone see anything wrong here?..

I am sure RJ is investigating and we should wait and respect his final judgement call...

Technically, smullen may be right but ethically???.

Has anyone called.

Domainpolice.com..

So what I forgot $2??? Does it not happen to you guys? Its life, nobody's perfect but to go behind my back... steal the domain, refund my money....

Think about it... even tho I was $2 short, it's not right or even fair to just go steal your HostGator back...Let me know I made a mistake and I"ll pay the difference....

It is a crime to steal...

There is nothing ethically wrong with it, he was short changed, it was $2 it could have been $2,000 the fact remains he was short changed! The seller can ask for the $2 or cancel the sale altogether! There is no legal binding contract selling on namepros for both buyers and sellers, just code of ethics. Premium should be kicking himself for making the $2 mistake! If he sent the full amount then he would be the one who was right!.

You are over reacting, he didn't steal it if he refunded your money, it was your fault to begin with for not paying him in full, the $2 wouldn't matter if the bids weren't at $1701 and $1702 and you gave him $1,700!.

Btw, if he refunded you with paypal, paypal would / should refund all charges too including your $58!..

Did you lock your HostGator after you bought it ?

Of course I'm going to have those people who go against me, but they aren't the ones in my position here..

I did nothing wrong, I mad a mistake, terribly one at that. However think about what smullen did, and Smullen, I hope your sitting there watching this thread getting a good chuckle out of this. I hope your happy and this goes to show how selfish some people are in this world..

You turned this into the worst day of my life, I was having a good weekend, until you had to do this...

Hmmm, give him time I am sure he will push it back , must of been some kind of mistake or mixup...

It'd be different if smullen told me I forgot the $2, but he didn't tell me and his whole plan was to not tell me and steal the HostGator back..

I mean if I forgot the $2, tell me, give me a time frame to send the rest of the money to you..

-Jarrod..

PayPal doesn't charge to do refunds. If it cost Sean $58 to receive the money, they will reimburse that $58 for the full transaction price goes back to the buyer. You should have the whole $1700 back in your PayPal account. Can you confirm this?.

There was a binding contract to sell the name to Premium for $1702. Why there seems to have been a complete breakdown in communication, I have no idea. The $2 short was obviously an unintential mistake by Premium, and should have been called out by Sean prior to sending the domain..

Instead, he accepted payment, transferred the HostGator and even left.

Positive feedback on Premium.

Jarrod had every right to assume the transaction was completed. At that point, both parties had accepted their consideration and ownership of the HostGator was legally transferred..

If you see nothing ethically wrong with completing a transaction "successfully", then.

Stealing.

Back the property, you have some seriously warped sense of ethics. That is NOT how to do business. A simple email requesting the additional $2 would have most likely resolved the situation, but instead it looks like it was used as an excuse for the seller to change his mind after the fact. Very concerning, to say the least...

After reading this thread I will certainly never do any business with Smullen!..

He is ruined here as far as I am concerned. also, this news will reach other forums and he will be ruined on those also....

Ditto here and I also vote for him to be banned.. he sets bad precedent for all future premium HostGator sales.....

I just checked and I have the full amount, sorry my mistake..

This is the first time something like this has happend to me and it's very unfortunate that I have to spend most of my day putting up with this whole mess when Smullen can fix this whole thing in a matter of minutes..

Smullen, instead of watching this thread, perhaps you could explain to the public how you stole my HostGator and what you plan on doing?.

I've had enough of this, and I don't know what to do..

Smullen, I will forgive you for this, just do the right thing man...

Re: the original auction.

- The amount paid was not the highest bid. It became the 3rd highest bid..

- Several other issues with the auction were raised..

In short, the auction process failed..

In the circumstances, there are a number of sensible options worth consideration such as giving the next bidder the.

Option to purchase or re-auctioning from scratch..

Re-auctioning was my preference because it seemed to be most fair, all factors considered..

I recall running that by a moderator who saw nothing wrong with that solution..

It appears Premium saw creating this thread and making up defamatory stories and wild allegations as an alternative..

Bullying never works..

I live by a deal is a deal - Premium didn't keep up his end of the bargain and that is all there is too it. End of Story...

Then a deal is a deal. Accept the $1702 payment and transfer the domain...

I agree 100% I don't want to see Namepros tainted over this incident...

A little #$#%@ creating this thread and calling me a theif wasn't part of that deal...

To those still asking how he knows how to steal a domain, someone already said that you can withdraw a domain-push in the first 7 days. That shouldn't be allowed if it's already been accepted by the one who's receiving it, IMO. Can anyone verify that people can do this on eNom?..

You can go to hell man, you didn't want to sell to me in the first place, you knew I got a steal and you were practically begging me to let you relist the auction when I wanted to go through with the sale..

You saw that I messed up the amount by $2 and you figured you could simply refund, steal the domain, and get away with this because your a greedy bastard and you dont care if you do bad business..

Your selfish, and your a coward for doing so, your going to let your whole reputation be destroyed over a $2 that I forgot to send..

You didn't even make an effort to inform me that I forgot to send $2, you left me positive feedback, and even pushed the domain. I thought it was a done deal, and what reason did I have to not think so?.

Anyways you can ruin you reputation, you can ruin future sales, you can ruin your name, and you can ruin most of my day, but I will not let you ruin my night..

I'm going out for the night, think it over Sean, think it over good. I've never seen such bad business in all 2 years I've been domaining, I've never had a HostGator stolen.....

I think premium you are over reacting, he could have informed you you short changed him if he wanted to, it's your job to have noticed it in the first place. How can you forget the $2 in the first place? just because you made this thread why shouldn't we assume you short changed him by purpose considering you are accusing him of taking the HostGator back on purpose!.

I think the term stealing is abit too severe to use here, it was his domain, you short changed him, he refunded you and got his name back, to me thats not stealing because you never legally fully paid for the name in the first place!.

Tbh the biggest mistake for you was opening this thread, put yourself in the sellers shoes, would you sell the name for the full $1702 to you again after you made him look so bad here?..

Ah, the true colors - good luck with the rest of your time in the HostGator business...

Some good points here..

#1: How could you not notice the amount you won the auction for..

#2: Why start this thread without disclosing that you did get a 100% refund 2 days after the auction closed..

But anyway, no one wins here. Premium won the HostGator for $1,702 .. bottomline...

Quite amazing how it's being turned into a case of name calling, when the seller insightfully knows his mistakes, fails to let Premium have a simple chance in giving back the missing $2 and the second thoughts he had about selling the HostGator to Premium..

Imagine a case where Jarrod.

Overpaid.

The seller... would smullen have complained like this? Probably still manage to find an excuse maybe?..

Originalclips, don't you see nothing wrong in completing a sale at 12-26-2005, push the HostGator and even leave a positive TR at 12-27-2005 then refund payment and help yourself "getting" the HostGator back at 12-29-2005..?..

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Smooth transaction. No problems at all Seller smullen (8) 12-26-2005..

Smullen, this whole issue can be simply resolved..

I am sure that premium can and will send you the $1702 which you sold him the HostGator for, if you transfer him the HostGator as you agreed to do by completing the auction..

It was a simple mistake that Premium made by sending you $1700 instead of $1702..

It would of only taken an extra second or two to PM premium, and get that situation rectified..

The benefit for you here is that if you sell him the domain, as he did win the auction, would be for you to keep your reputation as a HostGator seller..

This in the long run is more important than the profit you could make by "reselling" this domain, imho..

I believe that this whole issue is non-sense..

Smullen simply wished to sell the HostGator for more than he did, so he found a small loophole to use, to make it seem logical for him to get the HostGator back..

A deal is a deal. Sell him the HostGator as you agreed upon, for $1702 and you won't be risking your reputation..

I hope this all gets sorted out soon..

Stephen..

I think all of namepros is watching this thread and I think they all hope for a happy ending... Do the right thing, send my name back. I'll send the money back with the extra $2..

All of namepros will see that you did the right thing, they will forgive you, and you can continue on with your HostGator business. This thread can be forgotten..

I'm not overreacting.. it's a matter of some big money and a very valuable HostGator that I clearly won for $1702....

And overreacting, he didn't take the HostGator back, he.

STOLE.

The HostGator back..

And over $2.00 ....

Anyways I'm done for tonite, I'm off to a friends birthday and I only hope I can put this all behind me and perhaps me and Smullen could sort this out...

I had a good look at their deal, and I see nothing wrong with it, because on the 28th he noticed he was short changed! (.

Http://www.namepros.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=32.

) he left the feed back on the 27th before he noticed it! he refunded him on the 29th (probably after he confirmed he had his HostGator back).

Ethically he should let premium pay it in full, but premium shouldn't have opened this thread in the first place! This thread was opened today, premium had been refunded days ago, calling the seller a thief is too much tbh, I put myself in the sellers shoes and I too wouldn't want to sell my name to someone who would make so much accusations after being refunded and not even pointing it out! I think he has a choice of what he wants to do with his domain, he doesn't HAVE to sell it to premium, premium had his chance and blew it! that's tough, he should be able to re-auction OR sell it to another bidder in the thread. I can't tell you enough how damaging opening this thread in public was for his sale!..

My guess is Smuller's reputation is not worth the thousands more he can make on TNQ.com, since I'm sure he has no intention of giving up the domain..

I'm sure it's his top domain, and if he can't trade on forums he'll still get a ton of money for it from someone..

Unfortunate as that all might be for Premium......

Well I know one thing for sure...I will never do business with smullen again. I hope $2 is worth your reputation here at NamePros. Even if you did refund the money, it does not give you a right to steal the HostGator back. Lets compare this to a real life example. If I go to the store and buy a television for $1000, and when I pay, I only give them $998 by mistake, and then the cashier gives me the receipt, and I leave, the store can not come to my house and take the TV back because I didn't give them the $2. It is the store's responsibility to ensure that I paid the full amount.

This is the same case here. As soon as you pushed Premium the domain, the contract was completed. You accepted the amount of money he sent you as full payment for the domain, and then sent the domain. Very inprofessional, inmature, and possibly illegal action!..

@ OriginalClips.

I didn't know I was refunded... therefore I clearly thought my HostGator was Stolen..

After I posted this thread for help, I found out Smullen stole the HostGator back..

Then after I heard from Smullen, I found out I was refunded my money.

This is all news to me and I had no idea of all this happening, he went behind my back...

Great thread ,, lifes issues played out in the HostGator world..

The HostGator community is pretty small, and is in constant flux, ip addresses change.

User names change,,, {cyber world crimes and misunderstanding} this would be great case to go live on the net with video feeds and a cyber crime judge ,.

Premiums pretty ticked off and probobly want to smash and punch something like that fax machine from the Movie "Office space" from hisavatar, eh I feel for you ...its a wild HostGator world and that was a sneaky shot..

"greed is powerful force to deal with, has the ability corrupt the spirit"..

Well said bullying works, a certain person tried it on me..

LMAO..

I'm on your side here, the HostGator should be yours since the deal was done....

BUT - I don't know how people are supposed to believe you didn't get the e-mail from PayPal on the refund. How did you not get this e-mail???..

If you read the thread from the beginning, Premium did not open this thread to just crash on smullen. All he knew was the HostGator he purchased was no longer in his enom account when he logged in today, and wanted to know what steps to take. He didn't even know it was smullen who had taken it when the thread was opened. Also, he had no idea he had received a refund when he opened the thread, though that doesn't really make a difference in my opinion..

Tom..

Premium, you didn't notice you sent $1700 instead of $1702 and you didn't notice you were refunded but you clearly noticed the HostGator was gone! I mean didn't it even occur to you to complain to paypal assuming this could have been a case of fraud? that would have frozen the money in his account!.

I understand you got a clear bargain and want to hold onto the name, smullen feels cheated in some way because of the short changing and angry at you for making this thread!.

I am no judge but you both made mistakes, this thread should probably be removed and you two can come up with a solution in private!..

I don't believe you receive emails when you receive a refund. Perhaps it is his PayPal email settings, but I know in the past I have been refunded, and not known it until I logged in and saw it...

I dnt think he STOLE it back since he gave you a refund, you quite lucky he was honest to give you your money back. And he still owes you $58? Im quite sure he doesnt, paypal give it all back. And when he gave you the refund, you MUST of know, as you get emails etc. You should of given all details when starting the thread..

It happened to my cousin once .... on domainsite ... 15 of his domains were transferred to one hijacker's account ... he reported in 30 mins and they gave him the password of that user's account to transfer the domains back because he had a very good reputation there and he also knew alot of staff members. I'd say report it to enom and they'll give you the HostGator back.

Wish you best of luck with your domain.

Hope you get it back without any troubles..

Premium,.

Can I ask, did this payment to Paypal come directly from your bank account or from a credit card or even a like a Visa debit card? If it did come from a credit card, you do have some recourse. My wife use to work for a credit card processing agency, they have entire departments dealing with fraud. That's basically what this is. You have an auction, an agreed upon price, a sell, receipts of that sell, and positive feedback left for you for the transaction... yet you don't have the domain. Even if there is a $2 problem hanging over this, the exact moment Smullen accepted the Paypal payment, that $2 dollars didn't matter anymore.

When he accepted payment, he also accepted that statement..

If this is the case, do as Maroulis said, put together a "package" of all of this... the auction, the positive feedback, the Paypal receipts, everything and contact the credit card provider. Believe me, they have an entire legal department that takes care of things like this..

But..... If it came directly from your bank account, I'm afraid there really isn't much you can do except hope that this guy gives it back...

The legal department is not really for internet fraud, all they do is back charge possible internet fraud cases, they don't really investigate them, even if they do the credit card company can't do anything but to recover his funds which is already refunded days ago before this thread was even opened! Don't expect the credit card company to take legal action on this, unless this was a $100,000 deal and they were sure smullen was wrong and premium was fully cheated which isn't the case here!..

Well, without arguing, he was cheated. I'm pretty sure they would be able to prove Smullen was wrong, because once a transaction has taken place, that's the end of the story. It's as good as Smullen saying, "Done Deal". But, you may be right as far as the credit card providers willingness to pursue this any farther since Premiuim has already received his money back. But it's worth a shot nevertheless. That is, if Premium even used a credit card. He may not have...

I agree 100% !!.

And dont forget he did push the HostGator so it was a done deal. imo!..

All I'm going to say is that IF HE PAID WITH A CREDIT CARD... YOU COULD BE IN FOR A FELONY.... BOTTOM LINE GIVE IT BACK YOU ARE LOOKING BAD DUDE... YOU MAKING OUR GoDaddy site LOOK BAD.

But Not Only your Rep is going to be Tarnished But YOU could get teh Economic Death Penalty...This could cost you Alot More than 2 dollars in court A whole lot more and you will still Loose the Name..

Honor the auction terms. Premium, pay him $1702 again. Smullen, sell the name to him for that..

I have a PM in my box from Smullen where he offered to sell TNQ.com for ~$2100 to me about two weeks ago and I never got back with him since I offered him a little less...

If smullen made a thread after the sale about premium not paying the full amount (which he already posted on the same sales thread which was closed!) the majority of opinions would be backing him now instead of premium, we should acknowledge both were wrong, you can't say premium was right all along and smullen was the villain here! and I think it's wrong encouraging premium to complain to his credit card company, he should be informed they will do nothing for him and these complaints do go into your record and possibly your credit record, if you are seen to back charge alot you will be a liability to the credit card company..

I hope premium learned his lesson, to maintain his excitement on his next big bargain and check how much he pays the seller! You may have degraded smullen's reputation but you sure didn't increase your own reputation by making this thread. As soon as you found that you were refunded this whole case of I was robbed etc. should have been stopped, taking it further is just childish. Smullen is unlikely to change his opinion because of this thread, it would only make him more angry and decrease your chances of ever dreaming of getting your hands back on the HostGator you so admired! Perhaps you can appologize to Smullen for making the first mistake and work it out from there!..

Horrible situation all the way around..

My only .02 is to keep the name-calling and expletives to a minimum (Or not at all, puh-lease.

).

-Allan..

First of all if smullen had created a thread about Premium shorting him $2, I'm sure Premium would have just acknowledged his mistake, and sent the $2. You don't pay $1700, and then all of a sudden go cheap on someone for $2. Also, I completely disagree with you that Premium has damaged his own reputation with this thread. You saw smullen's reaction to Premium's questions...he just was immature and called Premium names. If Premium had dealt with this in a private manner, it would have been all name calling, and nothing would have gotten done. This way, in a public medium there is a chance of something getting done, or at very least if Premium is unable to get the HostGator back, that is rightfully his, smullen can have a ruined reputation, and be banned...

My 2 cents:.

1).

What smullen did was wrong, and deserves nothing, no apology from anyone..

2) Smullen used Premium's being $2 short as an excuse to sell the HostGator again at a higher price. Any other Namepros member would have said "hey, did you realize you were $2 short, please send." Some Namepros members woudl have said "$2, big deal, forget it.".

3) I, as Premium, would have done the same. I would have made sure the HostGator was transferred to me. The last thing I would be doing is going to PayPal to see if I had gotten a refund. Why would I do that? I just bought a domain, not returned one..

4) This kind of behavior is nothing more than being chicken, well, I'll use the word poop! We don't need people like that in Namepros..

If Smullen can prove everybody wrong, well, at that time, we will owe him a big apology. Of course, this is all my own honest opinion from what I see, and feel..

Frank..

Looks Like he had sellers remorse, and then searched for any reason he could find to weasel out of the deal. He's not going to sell it to you, they never do! You will find another deal soon enough..

It's hard to stay calm when someone does you wrong, but you have no idea how much you've learned from this one bad transaction. I would be happy that I got my money back after a deal like this, there have been times I didn't..

Hey Smullen, you shouldn't feel sorry for what you did, you should feel ashamed...

At the end of the day you have renegged on a deal, in years to come that is what people will remember. At least if you go ahead now you can salvage your reputation...

Lousy situation, but an Interesting thread..

Premium, FWIW I had a similar problem a few months ago. Bought a 2 char org HostGator on eBay, and the seller refused to complete the sale. The seller set no reserve and it went for a fraction of what it was worth, so he flat out bailed on the deal. My email exchanges with him were quite unpleasant and unproductive..

I think your options are about the same as mine were. It sucks, but don't let it waste your time..

There's always another deal coming up. Hope your next one works out right...

Smullen just called me a clown for giving him a bad trade rating...

Well I'm back from my friends birthday party, thanks to everyone who supports me and has tried to help get my HostGator back..

I think it is up to Enom and other authorities now, Smullen is obviously being very stubborn and it doesn't look like he'll be giving up the HostGator soon. So I am taking this very seriously, and I'm going to do whatever it takes. For all of you who say tough luck, think again..

And Yes Frank is right, It's December 26th when I did this deal, it was boxing day, I was visiting with friends/family. On new years I was doing the same, these last few weeks I was very busy and didn't have much time..

I don't check my paypal often, I just use it for buying things, I mean how the hell would I know that somebody would refund a purchase I just made that big? And I definately didn't expect my HostGator to be stolen!.

I expect some kind of punishment should be in order for Smullen?..

This is very impossible to happen, is this hacked event? usually registrars will only listen to the person listed as the admin contact of the HostGator or the support contact, do you hold one of those? do you have proof that it was transferred to you as you as the admin, billing or technical contact?..

Fax or email to enom as attachment as proof then call them after your email is done...

Man you are so far off base with all your comments, it's incredible....

If you think this reverse has.

Anything.

To do with there being $2 short on the price then you are deeply mistaken my friend.. Its simply a convenient excuse...

And if you also dont see how there is nothing morally and ethically wrong in Smullens actions, then I find that amazing also....

"Offer, acceptance and consideration" are all you need for legally binding contract to exist between parties - not "offer, acceptance, consideration, second thoughts, refund, repossess"..

All this thread serves to do is strengthen the case for a NP Escrow service.. (I have suggested this to RJ previously) then at least we would keep these kind of problems in house rather than with a third body....

WHAT!.

Are you kidding me, this must be a friend? Great if you believe this then I guess I have two people to watch out for..

Good Luck P,.

Joker!..

I know how bad I would feel if I bought my first premium HostGator for a lot of money and someone would steal it. Smullo, give back the HostGator and thats it. You should have realised earlier that you will lose a few hundread $ before, thats your mistake, but you sold the domain...

Wow , I hope Premium hangs in there , if this happened to me when I bought my first great HostGator I might had given up on learning about domains... what makes this a great place is all the nice people you meet here and the easy transactions that are had at namepros,,,,, we mostly all no the ropes on how to tranfer and pay for domains.....

Its pretty scary to think that it could happen, already have the name in the account.

Agreed on transaction then puff disappears from the account, if we all put ourselves in Premiums shoes we might better understand..

That's because you are a clown for doing that, if RJ saw fit he would have deleted it, you didn't trade with him which gives you no right to give him a trade feedback! Tbh he should have left you a negative one too fir giving him a negative feedback. Stop being so childish..

Badger, you don't know if it has anything to do with the $2 or not, you are only speculating as is everyone else in this forum which does include RJ too! the only one who really knows why he did it is the seller, maybe instead of everyone being so nasty to him you should all ask him politely!.

Perhaps you too should read the comments after premium paid him :.

Http://www.namepros.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=36.

This is the comments on the actual sale thread..

Premium is no noob to the HostGator business, I seen him alot on dnforum! he should have taken care properly, maybe he should check things far more carefully next time he trades, like pay the correct amount and check your paypal if you have refunds or not. Smullen did remind all that he was short changed, just look at this post before the thread was closed! he even looks very angry at being short changed too! [.

Http://www.namepros.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=32.

]I am not one sided here, I understand premium's case but everyone else seems to be against smullen forgetting the fact that premium is wrong too!.

I am not his friend, but with your attitude I wouldn't ever dream of trading with you in the first place...

Interesting leg work I see you joined like 5 days ago, your first post was on the 5th of Jan, but you seem to know alot about this transaction that happened in Dec/ with no trader rating and one of our newest member defending him like you are interesting ??..

Badger I have put together a service calle dNP PROTECT RJ and I have gone over it but to be an escrow service you must be a licensed escrow service without that it means nothing and RJ has to decide to open Himself up to liabilty in that case too. NP Protect can work as a very efficient system from an ethical standpoint though..

It is interesting BETTER you just joined here and this is the first thread you involved in. You sound like a friend maybe your not but you sound related to Mullen IMO..

Maybe it's because I actually bother to read all posts and look at both threads! I didn't join for this thread lol, I joined mainly to ask people what they thought of sci-fi.net and I came across this thread last night And took an interest in it because of the title and so many other people were watching the thread!..

Yes, lets all be a bit nicer to him then maybe he hand over the domain. Maybe thats the reason he renaged upon the deal, not because the buyer fell short in paying him $1700 instead of $1702 but because everyone is being so nasty about him in this thread... Thats it! you cracked it OC... It most definately wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that he was informed post sale that he'd sold too cheaply. No, it's definately the $2 shortfall....

I dont think there is anyone left in the English speaking world who hasn't seen the thread so take it that perhaps this and perhaps that is withstanding. The thread reads of disgruntled bidders telling the seller that he'd sold way too cheaply and him spouting that he was $2 short in a $1700 transaction, come on.....

Premium needs to be more careful?? Yeah, like he had anyway of avoiding being scammed.. It would have happened to you or I..! Surely, now hear me out on this, if you sold something for $1,000,000 and the buyer only paid you $999,999 would you:.

A, Ignore it, being a miniscule amount relative to the total sale?.

B, Contact the buyer and inform him about the shortfall?.

C, Dont contact the buyer, repay the money and reclaim your goods?.

Come on man, you cant be serious about option C being realistic on face value unless there were an ulterior motive? You definately cant be serious to say that Premium has done anything wrong?.

Premium cant be at fault for simply underpaying by a nominal amount and not being given the opportunity to put right... Period....

"wow first step in our door and you come out fighting'.

Since your new here , honor is held in high regard at this place , there are many domainers here who regard this more than money and active users who have been here a while know who everyone is , this community is built partly on trust and admiration .....

As part of DNOA as well as greater collaboration across DN-related forums we'll be discussing w/-RJ- and other forum owners on what can be done.. On many instances I've read something on DNF or here and add to my forum and alerted others. We need to employe some central mechanism to avoid scams and since ICANN or registrars are not doing anything about it maybe it should be up to us....

What has happened here is an example of "unethical" way of doing business, but I guess we should all be aware of this since certain individuals are far more greedier than others...

Setting up escrow will require $$$$$$ and like already pointed out a lot of liabilities, a simpler more effective system in principle similar to those used by banks for credit check would make sense. Think of it as a negative reputation register which would be feeding off DN related forums....

Back to the original thread topic -.

Mullen IS at fault here.

, he sold TNQ.com for $1702 the suddently has buyers remorse and offers to sell it to me for $12,000 after I made him an $8,000 offer this morning!!!.

Lesson learnt for everybody, let's move on.....

I am not saying smullen is morally right, but he has all 3 choices open to him, he can do as he wishes without it being any of our business! He should have told premium directly he was short changed which I think in a way he did tell the community in this thread.

Http://www.namepros.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=32.

Let me tell you a story, I bought a mobile phone from dialaphone, they charged me LESS for the mobile than it was worth, (it was their mistake and not mine) after a month I got a letter to send the phone back or legal action will be taken to recover the phone, I sent it back. This was bad business practice by the phone company but they had every right to recover their position because they had refunded my credit card and even sent me a prepaid envelope to give the phone back..

If I sold something for $1 million and there were 2 bidders, one bidding $999,999.50 and the other bidding $1,000,000 and the highest bidder paid me $999,999 in short terms I wouldn't be happy at all, it's not the money, it's the fact that he paid less than the previous bidder too!..

Wrong...

As others have mentioned, this is a community...

Sale took place in our community, both buyer and seller are members of our community, buyer has chosen to ask the community for assistance. This makes it our business and places it in the public domain..

Both buyer and seller have been given opportunity to state their cases and the overwhelming support, it appears, is for the buyer..

Im sure the seller knows he has done wrong, to state that his action are as a result of being short changed by $2, I'm sure he knows, cuts no ice and anyone who believes this reason to be valid, in all due respect, cant have done a lot of business in their lives...

I dont see the relevance...

However, did the mobile phone people come round your house when you were out and took the mobile phone without informing you?.

And they sold you a phone for less than it was worth and threatened to take you to court, Ive never heard so much BS since the googleemail thread...

Ah.

Still gives me a chuckle..

Http://www.namepros.com/showthread.p...ht=googleemail..

I guess this is what makes this board different to dnforum, dnforum is a place where sales are taken professionally and dealt with like a business where as this is just as you put it a community!.

You already made a judgement about me and my case without even knowing the facts, doesn't sound like anything new coming from you tbh! already jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts, you sound so sure it's not about the $2, but in rreality you really don't know, and FYI in the UK we have something called a debt collector, a company can take back their product via a debt collector...

How would he have acess to steal tje HostGator tho?..

Well, might I make a suggestion for you then........

Well, FYI IM IN THE UK...

What a laugh, you speak without knowledge in a such way that makes you look more and more naive the more you post..

Lets talk in terms of facts. UK law wise (seeing as though you are such an expert)..

1. Debt collectors cannot act on behalf of a thrid party and take back products without first receiving an order from the court to do so. FACT..

2. If a shop advertised a product for a price (be it what you will) and you bought that product for the advertised price, there is no court in the UK that would uphold their claim... What would they take you to court for exactly?? You claim this happened, what then are the circumstances?? Contract law = offer, acceptance and consideration. They offer at a price, you accept that price, you pay them the consideration.. End of!.

3. If we take it as read that 1 cannot happen without 2, when exactly were the debt collectors gonna come round to take back your phone??.

You so funny OC, stick around you liven this place up.....

It was not stolen you have a week to reverse a push I guess since he refunded the money he could do this obvioulsy most here don't agree..

OC you are right this is not DNF if that's what your looking for you will not be happy here IMO..

You misunderstood the entire situation, the phone was a contract phone say for 20 per month, they charged me 2 per month, it was their mistake but they had the right to recover the phone. If a you cash a check in the bank for 5,000 and the bank gives you 50,000 does the bank not have the right to recover their money? I never pretended to know much about law, but I sure know the basics..

Going back to topic, Smullen had the right to recover his HostGator after refunding premium..

That's all I have to say about this here.

, there is no legal contract obliging smullen to hand over the domain, it's only his conscience and if he feels he doesn't have to, well he doesn't have to!.

Btw, badger attacking someone's credibility in a thread to make them look bad by using words like BS etc. is wrong, just shows you are simply incapable to prove your point without having to resort to such methods and you achieve nothing but to look childish by doing that!..

He withdrew the push from eNom before the 7 day period was up. He didn't have to do anything special or hack anyones account...

Well, I'm only going on what you say.. You bought a phone in good faith and the company charged 2 instead of the 20 they should have as "it was worth more". Then within 1 month they threatened you with court action...

Sounds plausible....

Legally speaking, no he didnt!.

YES THERE IS. A contract exists between the parties and legally speaking the seller is in breach of the contract..

Whether that contract is realistically enforceable or not is another matter..

I always thought a seller will push over, or transfer, a name over to a buyer if they agree to a deal. This is an explicit and deliberated show of acceptance for the transaction, I would have thought..

It may have been a bad mistake to do this; seller's remorse, a change of mind, a sudden realization, whatever. But a deal is a deal, and transactions close when consideration is given by BOTH parties, and the final act of handing over the name is activated..

To extract a name from another's account without due notice and mutual agreement is tantamount to theft. Can you imagine the chaos and mistrust this will cause if all sellers did this reversing of pushes for arbitrary reasons or cock-and-bull stories they invent, or sellers remorse?.

I think that Mullen deserves to be banned, because it's sending some pretty weird karma to all of us that business deals are mickey mouse on this forum, just 'caveat emptor' and may you fend for yourself......

Simple seller's remorse. No doubt about it..

I've been with enom a while, but this part is new to me. How is this done, exactly? Do you just click a button within the enom interface? Or do you need to contact enom support for assistance?.

If in fact you need enom assistance to do this, it would be interesting to know what justification was used. What did smullen tell enom?.

Premium, what kind of enom account do you have - reseller or retail? Have you had it for a while...

Nice, with my attitude??? You think your Matlock? Look you go on defending him and His actions as if you feel this is ok. If you think that I'm worried about you not trading with me,selling to me, or buying from me will affect me you are very safe. We are ready have made a deal and you don`t even see it..

You go on and on and on it's funny because your affecting your standing here on NP, and since your this stand up guy why didn`t you contact that phone company and tell them they were charging you the lower amount and that you wanted to do the right thing and pay the owed amount? Who was scamming? Now I understand you more.... You must see it like, If I can get away with it then great, but when I get caught it's everyones falt but mine...

Im seeing a pattern,.

Yes lets be nice, Hey SMULLEN will you please do the right thing?.

There I asked POLITELY..

Well your RIGHT "IT ANT DNF" why did you ever leave there?.

.. remember the good old days,, ahhhhhh!.

I guess we are not "PROFESSIONALS" here, now whos making judgement?.

Nice job, welcome to NP...

Wow ...The Arguments Are getting outta Hand...These are Not Solving the Problem ...and Leading Nowhere....Solutions people...Solutions...Thats what premium Needs ...Not Cowboys.

Settling their Old scores On his thread......

There are always ways to do things that shouldn't be done using PayPal. Had this been done through Escrow.com, we would be reading a thread asking the question "Did I sell it for too little"..

This thread helps those who trade here by identifying the thought processes of some of our members. One day may find yourself wanting to deal with someone in this thread, so read the thread, and make your list!.

I sleep very well at night knowing my transactions go through Escrow and not PayPal. PayPal is good for deals around $2-$500, anything after that I use Escrow, and the buy pays the fee (unless it’s a whopper of a sale, then I’ll bend my rules)...

I haven't wanted to participate in this thread until now, it's getting out of hand and I advise you.

F.L.U.M.P™.

Also, my support goes to premium, this is a joke of a seller..

Premium, ever need any help with anything feel free to give me a buzz...

Well, after all this why would anybody want to ?

Retail I believe. I've never heard of this 7 day rule either... Does anybody know if ENOM's offices are open right now? I'm yet to hear a response from them..

Smullen, why are you causing all of this when it can be fixed in a heartbeat?.

-Jarrod..

I don't think you'll ever see TNQ.com again unless it goes to legal action. Why would he give it up for $1,702 after all this crap? I don't think he cares about his rep @ HostGator forums. He is trying to get over the offer made of $8K from another NP'er!..

All I want right now is a solution to come out of this...

What's the solution? I can't see it changing from where it's at now unfortunately. He has his HostGator back and you have 100% of your money back..

It's a shame, it should be yours, but I bet eNom will say he has the right to change his mind since they have a 7-day period I guess (from what another NP'er said). BUT - That makes no sense since what if he never refunded you (in theory) and just got his domain?.

Your last hope is eNom!.

Hopefully they finally PICK UP THE PHONE...

Finally got ahold of them, they have an appropriate person working on my case right now. There is hope that I get it back, and I'll just have to wait for a response in my case..

Also I'm filing complaints to proper Austrailian authorities...

Grrr I don't get this... Premium got the $$$ back and now wants to send them back to get the name? How can he trust him after all this???..

First: Definitely what was done here was wrong on the part of Smullen, unless there is some part to the story that we (I) have not heard yet..

Second: Legal action would be somewhat pointless unless your goal is to cause an inconvenience for him, as you have not been "harmed" to any great extent. While there might be punitive consequences from PayPal, etc., I seriously doubt you can force specific performance (The transferring back of the domain) through any legal channels (And enom would actually be incorrect in doing so here, if they do, in fact, have a 1 week push policy...)..

Third: Assuming we have all the facts before us, Smullen's correct course of action should be to accept full payment for the name and to transfer the HostGator to premium..

HOWEVER: I want to make it clear (And I think we all know), that having a cool head when the stuff does hit the fan helps to keep folks on your side. Keep all posts, even those that tell how you have been horribly wronged, civil and slander (Not the legal term here) free..

Smullen, if you're reading this: Do the right thing. PM me if you have questions or further info somehow..

I hope this has a happy ending..

-Allan..

SMullen You have to have some honor I sold xef.com for $1650 on HostGator State same day someone at DNF offered $2000 I basically said sorry name sold for almost 25% less a sale is a sale. RJ please let everyone know what's going on as far as DNOA's postition and NP. Thank you.

Smullen you are reading thread right now so why don't you answer everyone at NP?..

This is being seen a BS on both forums, at least by those that go about business in a professional and business like manner...

Smullen, this is not worth the extra $ 398 you are trying to get out of this name. If I were you I would even waive away the "missing" $ 2 and do the right thing and honour this legit sale. You will be surprised about the positive reactions you will get by doing the right thing now...

Whats this 7 day rule with enom anyways how come in the years here we have never heard about this happening, how can we do trades and sleep with peace ? how can we even trade or sell domains with this type built in bomb within the network of selling domains, this will give the wrong impression that people are allowed to do this it has to be snipped in the bud before this gets out of hand,,,, what if this becomes a common place accurance happen now and then since the word is out that this is allowed...

This event may stipulate a new grounds in HostGator laws that need to be looked at by the councel HostGator judges and icann..

Excellent news everybody!!!.

I have provided enough evidence that Enom has pushed my HostGator back into my account. The HostGator is under my control, it's locked, the whois is being updated to my information. Sean will not be able to touch this HostGator again..

As of now I will send the money back to Sean including the $2 extra (trust me I don't feel like he deserves it after what he did, however it's the right thing to do)..

All I ask from Sean is an apology..

I would like to thank all of you at namepros, everybody who supported me and gave me hope! You all are very good detectives and I received tons of PM(s) with lots of advice and help, it was really great to see all of this, you all truly support your fellow members. Thanks -RJ- too...

Thanks everybody..

For the record I have sent the full amount of money to Smullen. Now the deal should be complete..

Perhaps Smullen doesn't deserve it, but this is all about being a good businessman..

Http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2083/paytnq5ej.jpg.

(Payment Sent)..

Congratulations. I'm glad eNom was able to assist..

Did they give any insight on how he was able to take the name in the first place? I'm equally concerned about this 7 day rule, that if it is true that you can reverse a HostGator transfer without notifying the current holder this opens the door for more fraudulent transactions...

Premium, you have my respect, and you went further than I thought anyone could go under these circumstances, Congratulations!!!.

Great Job!!!..

Great News Premiuim! Now, get on the ball and write an email to that tourism CEO of Tropical North Queensland!.

Good Luck...

Your Original Message from homebuyer1- 1/8/2006 6:12 PM.

In your knowledge base, you state "You may no longer have any control.

Over your domain." when referring to a HostGator that has been sold and.

Then pushed into the buyer's account..

Question:.

Once a push has been made into the buyer's account, is there any way for.

The seller to cancel the push and take the HostGator back, or do anything.

To get the HostGator back without the seller's knowledge or consent?.

Agent Reply: Budi Prasetya - 1/9/2006 11:49 AM.

Hello Robert,.

1. Reseller cannot cancel the push when the HostGator has been placed in.

The buyer's account. Reseller needs to contact the new account owner to.

Push back..

2. The buyer could push the HostGator back, and if he/she did this,.

Reseller will not know the process because our system will only send the.

Email notification to the pusher..

Please let me know if you need any further information. Thank you..

Regards,.

Budi Prasetya.

Senior Tech Support Engineer.

Www.enom.com/help..

Pheew long thread. Hehe anyways Congrats on getting the name back..

Spy..

Congrats Premium on getting the HostGator which was rightfully yours. I really hope that the staff can discuss the future of smullen here at NamePros, because I know for sure that I never want to be associated with again, or even do business for that matter..

Tom..

Well, I am amazed!! this thread over the last 72 hrs has been a train wreck that I just couldnt stop watching. I would wake up in the middle of the night and logon just to see what was happening. all over $2.

I have continually logged on to see how it was all developing and my feelings swaying from one side to the other. it was an emotional roller coaster of feelings and facts..

Its been the "days of our lives" HostGator style.

Premium, really glad you got your HostGator back(but just double check it again).

Gripping stuff!!.

I doubt smullen will ever get his reputation back..

Happy days to everyone and hopefully everyone will learn from it...

-RJ-, when I find out I'll let you know on how he got ahold of my domain..

I wonder what Smullen is going to do now, can I be assured that this will be the last of this huge mess?..

Congrats Premium....! glad to see justice was served...

If you have any suggestions on how to avoid things happening in the future (cross-forums) drop me a PM. It's something i'll be discussing w/-RJ-..

Well done Premium, justice served to the good guy (for once in this scam ridden industry of ours)...

Hope you didnt think I went too off topic in the defence of your name previously, I find it hard sometimes to deal with people who cant see the wood for the trees....

Congrats once again.....

I'm glad mate that you got your HostGator back.

Congratulations!.

Didoz..

SWEEEEET.

BUY, dude!.

You're in an excellent spot for a quick flip!..

Wow, what a long topic. Congrats on getting your HostGator back Jarrod! If I'm correct, you didn't have to give SMullen his money back since he stole the HostGator from you right? It's good that you returned his $$$ back, good luck on your future HostGator sales...

What a storybook ending!.

Great job Premium! You've got yourself a nice little investment there!.

I want to know how this got moved in the first place! We must know that. eNom was great to correct the problem, but it scares me that it actually happened in the first place...

Right is might -well done Premium..

Sean - a sad day for you, but no sympathy is due JMO.

Well done enom..

Thanks everybody for all of the support, this just goes to show to never give up!.

And to Wot, your comments always make me laugh, thanks!.

I'll keep you all updated on what Enom says, and let this be a lesson learned to all Npers never to mess with Premium because of his avatar.

At least my sense of humour is back!.

Off to a hockey game, I'll report back later...

Premium, congrats for your HostGator back. Always on your side...

Premium ... I tried to PM you (your PM's are off) regarding the.

Specifics.

With regard to conversations / correspondences with Enom, IMHO..

On how this HostGator name got to his ("smullen's") account in the first place, and then with regard to any potential.

Reversionary command.

(within a 7 day period of receipt? Retail/Reseller account?) ... and what Enom has told you, their reasonings, ultimate steps for resolution, etc. Obviously there is now some.

Angst.

With respect to Enom from all this ... lengthy thread, to be sure ... and I want to address these concerns (and hopefully allay any fears) and see if we can get clarification on the Enom matters which potentially affect so many of us here in the community..

Thanks much, and glad it all worked out..

-Jeff..

One "feature" of a retail account is that your upline reseller can - without knowing your password - enter your enom account and do anything you can do, which includes pushing domains. Who's your upline reseller?.

You should seriously consider getting a reseller account. If you don't want to spend for a discounted account, there are several who can provide you with $8.95 accounts for free. Again, pick your upline reseller with care, as he still would have some oversight on your account, such as pricing and info on what domains you are registering...

Wow... That may explain a couple of HostGator disappearences for me (nothign serious) Good To know.

Thanks for the Info.

Grats to Premium, even though the outcome should have bee inevitable..

BINGO!!!.

GOOD FOR YOU, GALD IT ALL WORKED OUT, WISH YOU THE BEST!.

Now you can let it go and move on...

My Pm's are on and always have been? Anyways I just deleted a lot of mail incase my inbox was full..

I have requested from enom the information on how Smullen got access to my HostGator and then pushed it to his account. However I am yet to receive a response because they are probably closed now. So I should expect a prompt response in the morning..

The way I signed up, was with.

Www.enom.com.

Directly, just got an account.. does this mean that I become somebody else's reseller? I sure hope not! And I have no idea how he got ahold of my domain..

I am practically paranoid checking my HostGator and making sure it's in my account now..

If you need anything from me, feel free to pm or email me at jarrod[dot]seitz[at]gmail[dot]com ..

Smullen has yet to contact me, I'd like to know what happens from here? I expect that Smullen should be punished for such an act?.

I'm willing to forgive Smullen if he confesses what he did and appologizes...

In that case, you are connected directly to enom. The registration and renewal rates must be unbelievable, though...

Jeez, Apollo, youre absolutely right there....

And I forgot all about that.. Ive never thought it right that some guy simply with a $6.95 reseller account can have full access to all my domains in my $7.95 reseller account and I likewise have full access to all my $8.95 accounts...

My big fear here is that if this dotcom is under Smullens reseller account he can unlock / push or worse TRANSFER this domain...

This is a problem with Enom Premium but if, like you say, you signed up directly.......

What do you pay then for a dot com registration?..

Ian, uplines have full do-anything access to their downline retail accounts, but.

Not.

To their downline resellers. Access to downline resellers is very limited, as these folks are assumed to know what they are doing and have no need for assistance..

It happened a couple of times where my nameservers on some domains changed to that of my upline reseller, so he could have stolen my traffic. But the traffic on those domains was minimal, so I simply assumed this to be a bug. Besides, after I reported it to enom, the problem was corrected and I never saw it happen ever again..

If you want to be totally safe, signup directly from enom, and park all your names there. When renewal time comes, push to your cheap acct, renew, then push back to your no-upline account. I don't do this myself, though - too lazy...

Congrats !! Hope the scammer is banned for life now..

Wow. Just read it start to end and it was a gripping 30-45mins..

A good guy, a bad guy, a happy ending and so much to be learned. Excellent Reality Infotainment at NP. Thanks to all for sharing their knowledge and experiences...

Great news!! This goes to show all of us " a deal is a deal." You can't change your mind afterwards, because you were offered more money for your domain! The fact that you were $2 short should not even be a factor in this transaction. It's not like Smullen didn't know where you were at, and couldn't collect the $2..

However, at the same time, make sure you send the correct amount agreed to in the transaction! Look how much grief $2 cost you!! (I mean this in general, for every Namepros memeber).

Frank..

Yeah, I sent the full amount this time and hope it's the last of it. No reply from Enom yet.....

Also I don't know what my account is, I forget, how can I find out what it is? If I am a reseller or retail, should I transfer to another registrar? Or signup with enom direct and push tnq.com to that account?.

I just want my HostGator in a safe place right now..

-Jarrod..

Until you find out how he stole it from your eNom account, I would move transfer it to another registrar ASAP...

I'm glad this all worked out. Congrats, Premium. You really had to work hard for that deal, didn't you?.

I said it before, I am nobody here (just look at my rep). But the fact that Smullen pushed the HostGator in the first place says to me that he was OK with getting the extra $2.00 from Premium later..

The Indian Giver crap never flies well. A deal is a deal as it should be. Smullen could have always contacted Premium directly through email or PM. I bet he even had other contact info. Posting an arbitray thread that Premium may or may not find was simply laying ground work for excuses..

I always feel better when Intellectual Property is treated as such. We are all putting values on these Domains constantly, but the fact is that my TM names meant so much to me that I had absolutely no choice but to take control of them since the big registrars so obviously got too big and blatantly did not give a rat's *** about my precious, priceless (to me) business & brand Trademark names..

Now as a HostGator (and hosting and internet services, etc..) reseller I can finally sleep at night knowing that Net Sol doesn't have my names to blackmail and torment me with. (I mean that, literally).

Congrats! -Doug..

This is an amazing thread!.

It worries me that some ENom accounts are insecure the upline can push your domains etc..

I'm a fan of Godaddy especially as by using their discount codes etc, you can register domains for $4-$5 per year. They also have 24 hour phone support so they are never closed...

Premium - if I were you I'd move to Moniker.....

Wow, I just read this entire thread, heavy stuff!!.

It's certainly been an educating read!.

Congrats Premium, Justice has been done,.

Hope you get a mega-sale from your domain!..

You lost your eNom login? Where did you get the eNom account in the first place? If Sean created it for you, he may still have access to it as your parent reseller. Put it in your own eNom reseller account now! If you need one, create one here.

Http://www.namepros.com/enomsignup.php.

And PM me to convert it to reseller for you..

Reseller accounts do not let anyone else change your domains, while retail accounts do allow your parent reseller to retain management abilities..

A registrar transfer might is not a bad idea, since you don't know how it was able to leave your eNom account in the first place...

-RJ-, I just forgot if my account is a reseller or if I signed up with enom directly, I'm unsure and I would like to know how I find out what my account is..

I never forgot my enom login, I have made sure my password is top notch..

Anyways I received an email from Enom today and this is what they said:.

The former account holder contacted us and claimed he had pushed the HostGator "by mistake". The person who pushed it back is fairly new here and did not understand that it is our policy to refer these requests back to the original account holder..

So it was a mistake, and Enom fixed it, they said they have informed all Enom support staff about this, and it shouldn't happen in the future..

This is a very dirty way to steal a HostGator back. Anyways I hope it's all over now, if the staff would like me to ask Enom anymore questions, please PM me..

-RJ-, I sure hope this member is properly punished for his behavior..

BTW if I was to transfer to godaddy, I would have to unlock my domain, and if I do that, couldn't it be stolen again?.

What should I do in order to protect my HostGator now?..

Unreal - how sneaky of Sean and how ignorant of Enom staff to push back to him in the first place. At least we now know that he didn't request transfer within 7 days of pushing back via any official means as this would have resulted in you getting notified via email.....

Jarrod, push it to me for now if you are unsure.. PM for user id.

What were saying here, not being condescending, but if you are under a reseller account and you are listed as a retail account under that reseller, then the reseller can access your account and do what they want with your domains..

If, in this instance, you are under the seller then he can simply access your account and move the HostGator again. Worst case scenario trnsfer it to another registrar that is of the "i dont give a damn" school - joker *cough dot com for example....

Just because you have it back, be careful......

Glad to know you got the HostGator name back, Premium! And this has also been.

A.

Very.

Enlightening thread..

Heck, enlightening's an understatement!.

One can only hope. But this is a reality each and every one of us faces every.

Day, so we musn't let our guard down..

If it does happen, only prompt action and persistence can possibly save the.

Situation..

Only one transfer request at a time can be done. No one can start another.

Transfer request while the current one's in progress 'til it's concluded, whether.

Successfully or not..

You actually already know what to do in order to protect your name: a) be.

Aware, b) take action, and c) be vigilant...