Good question... I dunno what is the right answer to your question. I'll do some research and get back to you if I find an good answer. You should email the people at iContact as they probably could assist you..
Because they don't know that they can download a much better browser, or even that there is another browser available. And it comes already installed on windows...
Lmao!! I'm not dissing opera or anyone or anything....
I mean remember this:.
That's what i'm talking about here....
I like opera and the idea that ppl using it make up a few $million$.
But! some of my associates are tired of spending day after day codeing our sites and apps around opera's problems, primarily the 'iframe height' and 'z-indexing' issues....
Listen, 'i' wanna build for opera too but if we have to write a javascript JUST to get opera to function properly whereas IE and Mozilla work correctly then my associates want to drop opera and focus on the other browsers only....
In fact.
; they made us drop support for opera once before a few months ago 'until' 'i' showed'em their iContact site and how many $ppl$ use/love opera... I said "Hey! $millions$ of ppl around the world are ''paying'' for something that they could get free elsewhere; they love opera so let's try working with it again".
And they agreed last week but yesterday they asked us the magic question, "...so how much time have you spent all week on opera? and how much more of the project have you built? ".
-_- they didn't like the answer -_-.
I wish that the opera developers would fix the bugs in their browser... I sent them a couple e-mails several months ago... I got no replies at all....
Geez, if they got just those 2x bugs,.
Just those two.
Fixed, it would shave the time in half, maybe more fore us....
If you guys personally know someone over there, pleaaaaasee ask'em to get 'just those two' bugs fixed *sigh*..
So, if you could choose, would you rather like people to use IE than Opera? I shared my opinions.
Here.
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Which z-indexing issues? Have never heard of any. Also, when sending your feedback and suggestions to Opera, you are clearly told that your iContact email won't be answered...
I don't care, I just stick with mozilla and try to get things to look right in IE. If opera has so many issues than I would rather them use IE just because we already know how to get around the flaws in it...
What are these "many issues"!?! No browser will ever beat IE in "many issues"!! I've only heard about Opera using padding for body instead of margin, and now this iframe thing..
Stop throwing sh!t at Opera!!!!!!!..
Ohh great... agent002, dude I'm sorry for upseting you and I'm not teling ppl to stop using opera....
On the e-mailing( sorry I should have said bug tracking ), I know that they wont send confirmations but I sent those bug trackers once 3 days after 7.23 came out and then again back in december 2003....
I guess those are either difficult to get around or have a low priority maybe? I dont know, but when they get those two features fixed, 'i' will be most happy.
Our sw isn't just a run f the mill program like hotmail or ssomething... is heavily dependant on iframes within iframes/frames and z-indexing on a rather extreme level.
On the z-indexing, we've been modifying z-indexing on images with code like:.
And we've tried putting "px" on the end of it but with no luck :-/.
The other issues, i'll have to ask the others about before explaining them cuz they're a little odd to me....
Again, agent002, I'm sorry for upsetting you..
So you're saying, the code for altering z-indexes doesn't work at all, or doesn't work in a specific case? Please tell me more and I can try to find a workaround for the problem...
Say you have 10 html elements, images and divs....
You have 2 links, one for making the first 5 appears on top and the other for making the last 5 appear underneigth.
The page have their z-indexes already set with the 3rd images to be on top at page load....
But when the page loads, all 10 objects are displayed on top of eacher other in the order in which they are at in the html page with the last one on top....
And when the links are clicked, nothing changes.....
I'll throw it togeather real quick, just a couple mins..
Here is the classic problem we have been experiencing....
Although there is only a very small number of iframes, the problems become apparent....
Our project is far more complex than this rendition of my two main issues....
Please note that in mozilla; the yahoo.com iframe has a transparent background over the others, our project has compensated for that by making all backgorunds solid colors or images thus that was an easy fix for us where the opera issues arnt so easily fixed.....
I will look at it tomorrow, it's 2:05 AM here and I'm about to fall asleep.....
Ko, I thank you for any help you can figure out, and again, I am sorry for coming off the way I did....
If a mod deletes this thread, just pm me.....
K, sorry for getting that mad. Now I'm going to bed...
Ahh crap, now wonder you got psed....
The title of the poll should have been something like: "Should 'i' and my associates abandon Opera support on our project?".
-_- geez, who else have I upset with my poor choice of wording today.....
From just under 2mil logs i've collected opera accounts for 0.5%, move out of the western world and it goes down to 0.3% whilst ie goes up to 96%..
I don't worry about it..
Indeed it is a tricky situation. I didn't find any workaround using the z-index method, Opera simply doesn't seem to care about z-indexes with iframes. The z-index switcher works perfectly with something else than iframes, like divs..
I can still offer you a workaround that does exactly the same thing, but doesn't use z-indexes. Instead, it alters the 'visibility' property of the iframes. I hope this solution satisfies you...
Your visibility modification rocks, agent, thanx.
The reason the positioning guys went with z-indexing over positioning is because we have had some ie issues in the past with making iframes hidden and getting errors when we load a page into a hidden iframe... it seems to be working just fine though with the example ?-/.
I'll talk with those guys tommmarow when they come in and see if they can show me that error generating code....
With out project, things get deep and netested pretty thick, some pages are as much as 202Kb with Just the page code... hence, things get difficult sometimes... heck, before I got there, the pages were twice as big and messy like mad lol!..
Opera is the ****(good)..
All you have to do is buy it, and it instantly becomes the best browser in the world. I used to be a 100% IE user, but then my homepage got hijacked and I tried too hard to fix it and then a .js virus came along and caused me some problems. I switched to Opera, and it is a million times better in that case...